Who would win Nagato or Tobirama

Itachi Uchihha
 Post subject: Re: Nagato vs Itachi, who wins?
Posted: 22.08.2011, 14:10 
Raikage

Registered: 31.10.2010, 14:59
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Good idea Tokumi! Otherwise that would have degenerated ...
So overall, I see Nagato as the stronger one. But I believe that Itachi can keep up with him thanks to his MS techniques and reduce the difference in strength to a minimum through his tactical skills. He can win a fight, but it's a lot harder for him than it is for Nagato.
So I would say Nagato would win 7 out of 10 fights against Itachi. (Assuming that every fight starts from scratch, so the fighters take neither experience nor injury into the second, third ... fight).

The previous discussion at a glance:
Itachi Uchihha wrote:
MugenTsukuyomi wrote:
Nagato would also have defeated Itachi if it had been a 1 vs 1 fight, Itachi could not have done anything against Chibaku Tensei on its own, purely theoretically.

You cant say it like that...
The primary reason he was met by Chibaku Tensei was because he was helping Naruto and B. On the other hand, it has to be said that without Naruto and B he would not have managed his surprise attack, as Nagato would then have concentrated on him.

In my opinion, the chapter showed that the two are relatively equal. Kishi probably wanted to make that clear when he put the two of them into a team. Nagato is struck by the Totsuka sword, for which he simply lacks the ability to react to keep up. That became clear when he was flashed by it, that cannot be denied. And Itachi is defeated as soon as he is caught by CT. In other words: Neither of the two has an answer to the strongest technique of his opponent!

It was also shown that Itachi tactically plays in a very high league and can defeat even stronger opponents (like Shikamaru). He also continued his one-shots in this fight.
He beat Nagato's incantations and blinded Enma. The chameleon also neutralized, found out in a very short time about the split vision of the Rinnegans, was the only one who injured Nagato (fatally) (took 2 arms from him). Furthermore, it was Itachi who finally sealed Nagato and it was also he who found out the "weakness" of Nagato's strongest technology within a few seconds. In his "healthy" state he was never touched by an enemy in the entire series, and that fight hasn't changed that either.
In the end, it was a fight between Itachi and Nagato here. B and Naruto only helped him against CT.

With CT, you can't say for sure whether Itachi wouldn't get out of there on her own. My assumption is based on this: the more trees, stones, etc. CT attracts, the harder it will be to destroy it. But if you were to react immediately, where there are only a few stones gathered around the gravitational core, Yasakani might be enough for that. This would have been the case in the fight, because Without B and Naruto, Itachi would not have to explain what to do and could take immediate action against it. Yasakani himself has to be very strong too, considering that it has to be as special as Totsuka and Yata. In addition, Naruto will probably have to destroy CT alone if he has to go against Madara. So if you ask me, it is quite possible that CT is much easier to destroy at the beginning and one powerful attack could be enough.

I think Nagato is stronger than Itachi in and of itself, but with his tactical genius, Itachi should be able to fill that gap for the most part.
In this sense: Nagato> = Itachi

But keep in mind that Itachi did not use tsukuyomi / genjutsu in the fight, which would probably be his best weapon against Nagato.


And Nagato would certainly have little chance against Itachi. In chapter 550 he was hit directly by Amaterasu but was able to regenerate thanks to Edo Tensei. Tsukuyomi - which works with bare eye contact, cannot fend off Nagato either. Nagato cannot compete with the Susanoo, reinforced with Totsuka and Yata's mirror. Clear victory to Itachi. That's why Nagato was sealed in the manga, while Itachi is still the main part of the plot.


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
Well, for Amaterasu, Nagato has the Preta and Deva path. And even Yata does not protect against CT.
So it's not that simple, Strict.


@Itachi Uchihha yes, just like I said it is. Amaterasu arises directly in front of the opponent, which is why absorption is impossible. This became clear again in Chapter 550, when Nagato immediately began to burn on him. Shinra Tensei is also of no use. After the first Amaterasu, Nagato's body was already damaged. After his Shinra Tensei he would have the 5 second interval that Amaterasu does not have. Even if Nagato uses Chibaku Tensei, Itachi Nagato could meet Amaterasu immediately. But against an immortal ninja who is regenerating, the destruction of Chibaku Tensei was the better option. That was the Amaterasu part. Nagato cannot do anything against Tsukuyomi, which works with bare eye contact. Neither against Susanoo, who owns the weapons Totsuka and Yatas Spiegel.


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
As soon as Nagato is hit, he can absorb Amaterasu with Preta (as he did with B's robe), or repel with Shinra Tensei. The five second interval is given here and makes him susceptible to a second Amaterasu, but Itachi does not have the stamina to shoot Amaterasu wildly. The minimal amount of time that Nagato would be exposed to if Amaterasu were hit is not particularly tragic either. Karin hardly suffered any wounds after she was set on fire by Amaterasu.
With Tsukuyomi we don't know how it behaves against the Rinnegan, or how good Nagato is against genjutsu in general, but I agree with you, Tsukuyomi is Itachi's trump card against Nagato.
Whereby you have to keep in mind that because of his own knowledge, he certainly doesn't just look Itachi in the eye. And in hand-to-hand combat, Itachi cannot force Nagato to look him in the eye, otherwise he would get angry.
We mustn't forget that Nagato has access to Gedo Mazo.


Itachi's perseverance is pure exaggeration. For the fight with Sasuke, Itachi stopped taking his vital medication in order to finish faster. Nevertheless, he managed to use Tsukuyomi, to use Amaterasu several times and even to delete it, then to activate Susanoo to seal Orochimaru, among other things, and at the end was able to transfer his Amaterasu to Sasuke. All of this despite the fact that he has not taken his essential medication. 2 Amaterasu, on the other hand, would be a Klaks, he also did in Chapter 550 by ice netting 2 Amaterasu to meet Nagato and his incantations. Nagato was already damaged after the first Amaterasu, he would not survive a second, the interval of Shinra Tensei would be the end. For example, a person's eyes are sensitive. An Amaterasu directed into Nagato's face would destroy Nagato's Rinnegan - and thus his powers.


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
The Amaterasu damage came from the fact that Nagato was happily sizzled through the flames for a few minutes before Kabuto took control and forced him to do something about it. If Nagato had wanted to, he could have put the flames off immediately as soon as they landed on him. You could see that he can do it. But he didn't want to fight his friends, it's clear.
That Itachi packs two Amaterasu is quite clear to me, believe me, I've dealt with this character often enough to know about his abilities.
In a healthy state he probably also has more chakra reserve, but he definitely has less than Nagato.
In a fight, it depends on which of the two uses their best ability against the other first.
But Itachi> Nagato is certainly not the case.
Actually really funny, I thought I have to defend Itachi against angry Nagato fans who want to stone me for my statement and not Nagato against Itachi fans.


Shisui Uchiha wrote:
Itachi Uchihha wrote:
With Tsukuyomi we don't know how it behaves against the Rinnegan, or how good Nagato is against genjutsu in general, but I agree with you, Tsukuyomi is Itachi's trump card against Nagato.

Since the fight against Jiraiya, we know that Nagato has no chance at least against high-ranking genjutsu


Unfortunately, Nagato was unable to regenerate during his lifetime. What use is it to push Amaterasu away in pain if Itachi could hit him 5 more times during his 5 second interval? One look and Nagato burns, one eye contact and Nagato is in what is probably the most powerful genjutsu (after Kotoamatsukami). One hit with Totsuka and he's sealed, Yata's mirror neutralizes all attacks. It is obvious that Nagato would have little chance against Itachi as he is a total genius besides his skills.


Unfortunately, Nagato was unable to regenerate during his lifetime. What use is it to push Amaterasu away in pain if Itachi could hit him 5 more times during his 5 second interval? One look and Nagato burns, one eye contact and Nagato is in what is probably the most powerful genjutsu (after Kotoamatsukami). One hit with Totsuka and he's sealed, Yata's mirror neutralizes all attacks. It is obvious that Nagato would have little chance against Itachi as he is a total genius besides his skills.

Oh, and Nagato is stupid.

In any case, it was clear to me that these Itachi fanboys are all rolling around now just because he sealed Nagato.


Sweet, if you can't come up with any meaningful arguments, it's the Uchiha fanboys: 'D
Nagato is of course smart, but Itachi has not proven for the first time that he is a total genius who plans everything in advance. Against Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo + ghost weapons, "Uchiha-Fanboy" is probably the only argument that can be made


I didn't just mean you, but the general public of Naruto fans. But everyone should think what they want, to me it's still very clear ... Nagato> Itachi.

Since most of them would only talk against a wall anyway.


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
Unfortunately, Nagato was unable to regenerate during his lifetime. What use is it to push Amaterasu away in pain if Itachi could hit him 5 more times during his 5 second interval?

You leave preta completely out of the way here, how do you get the certainty that Nagato cannot simply soak it up, after all it consists of chakra. Besides, I already said that Nagato didn't have to regenerate at all if he had defended himself. We already saw that Amaterasu is not the quick instant Wiesenhof Brutzler that you think it is here. Karin and the Samurai Armor say: Hi
In addition: Why should Itachi behave as you described? He sees that his Amaterasu has been absorbed or repelled and is holding another huge chakra eater on it? That might be Naruto's style, but not something a genius like Itachi would do unless he knows if it works.


You may be a Nagato fanboy
Calling us fanboys without counter-arguments does not exactly indicate maturity and makes you more of a fanboy, because you get lost under our good arguments and cannot say anything else in defense of your preferred character.

@Itachi Uchhiha. Karin passed out and the samurai was wearing armor. Others like Madara and Hachibi doubled over in pain at Amaterasu ... Itachi could aim Amaterasu in Nagato's face as well. Hellish pain + Nagato's sensitive eyes are perishing. Even without Amaterasu, the matter is obvious, Tsukuyomi destroys the psyche of the other person with mere eye contact, Yata's mirror repels everything and Totsuka seals when touched. Where is the problem? Or do you want to tell him that Nagato absorbs everything and fights Itachi + Susanoo without looking in his eyes so as not to be hit by Tsukuyomi? Ridiculous, Itachi is stronger.


BlueGhost wrote:
Nagato can fend off the first Ameterasu straight away, as you can see from Karin that he hardly gets any harm from it, the 2 he sucks up and then there is Shinra tensei again, after 3 Ameterasu even a healthy Itachi will be weakened.
Then there is Nagato's dog against whom Itachi is forced to use Susanno or Ameterasu.
Without Susanno it will not be easy for Itachi, even if he is a genius, to escape the Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin combo and to defend himself against the deprivation of soul.
Itachi's trump card is that he masters the 2nd strongest genjutsu and Totsuka.
With Nagato it is his great endurance and Chibaku Tensei (possibly Gedo Mazo)

Nagato and Itachi are roughly on the same level


Is Nagato K.O. so the incantations also disappear. At one of Itachi's level, eye contact is inevitable. Fighting him without looking him in the eye is ridiculous because it is so easy to become a target. Tsukuyomi destroys the psyche upon eye contact, which in reality only takes a few seconds. He can't do anything against Totsuka either, so Itachi wins. First find something against Tsukuyomi and the fast Totsuka, then we'll talk more


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
BlueGhost wrote:
Nagato can fend off the first Ameterasu straight away, as you can see from Karin that he hardly gets any harm from it, the 2 he sucks up and then there is Shinra tensei again, after 3 Ameterasu even a healthy Itachi will be weakened.
Then there is Nagato's dog against whom Itachi is forced to use Susanno or Ameterasu.
Without Susanno it will not be easy for Itachi, even if he is a genius, to escape the Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin combo and to defend himself against the deprivation of soul.
Itachi's trump card is that he masters the 2nd strongest genjutsu and Totsuka.
With Nagato it is his great endurance and Chibaku Tensei (possibly Gedo Mazo)

Nagato and Itachi are roughly on the same level

Well said Blue!
According to current facts, Itachi will be over when CT comes into play, which could be the case, as well as Itachi trumps Susanoo.
The whole thing with the five second interval is also a mystery, that was true for Pain, but now we know that Nagato can use all abilities faster and more strongly than Pain.
What Kishi told us about Naruto as a medium.


As I said, a person's eyes are very sensitive. A hit from Amaterasu in the face of Nagato and his eyes and skills perish. Chibaku Tensei is useless, it is far too slow. With bare eye contact, Itachi traps Nagato in a genjutsu and destroys his psyche. A quick hit from Totsuka and Nagato is K.O. There's no time for Chibaku Tensei.


Itachi Uchihha wrote:
If Itachi Nagato gets too close with Susanoo, the good guy gets a Cho Shinra Tensei in the face.
You remember? The jutsu that swept away an entire village?
Yata does not help against the Tensei techniques because they are based on gravity. Yata is just the ultimate blocker against nature related ninjutsu because it then takes on the nature of its matching counterpart.
And because Karin passed out, did she only have a few bruises? Try again.


I definitely agree with itachi uchihha
You may be a Nagato fanboy
Calling us fanboys without counter-arguments does not exactly indicate maturity and makes you more of a fanboy, because you get lost under our good arguments and cannot say anything else in defense of your preferred character.

At the thread I even had to laugh, what good arguments are those?
The whole time is just written: Yes, only once Amaterasu and Nagato si eg and Tsukoyomi destroys psyche and Nagato "must" look Itachi in the eyes, etc.

Tell me and you seriously believe Nagato will wait calmly until Nagato closes his eyes and activates his MS? Itachhi Uchia has already made enough arguments about how Nagato can stand up to Itachi without any problems. Susanno is flattened with gravity within seconds, otherwise Itachi would not have worried about it in the fight and would have just kept Nruto and Bee fat
Itachhi has already said enough about Amaterasu, Preta and Shinra Tensei should be enough by far

And to Tsukoyomi ... why does Nagato have the Rinnegan, please, he can create tens of creatures with his eyes, which then take care of his field of vision (whether the Tsukoyomi does much harm to Rinnegan is also doubtful) and Nagato can simply get back into his Hide chameleon

Until Itachi activates his eye techniques, Nagato doesn't even have to blink and he can sweep Itachi away, Shinra Tensei (Itachi has his eyes closed and doesn't see it coming), a laser cannon, missiles, etc.
The whole time you talk about how it would be if Nagato has already been hit, but that's completely unrealistic, because Itachi doesn't even get to do much damage



MugenTsukuyomi wrote:
Didn't it mean that you can fend off Tsukuyomi with stronger eyes? If even someone who has the eyes of the Sage of the 6 Paths cannot fend off Tsukuyomi, then no non-Uchiha would stand a chance against an MS user. Jiraiya's hearing jutsu, enhanced with senjutsu, cannot be compared with a visual genjutsu.Amaterasu was already an issue here, you can absorb it and push it away. You could also absorb Susanoo, after all, it's a ninjutsu. After all, Nagato single-handedly finished Naruto in his mode + Killerbee. It is clear that the Itachi addition would be too much. Nagato only used his Paths. He didn't use elementary techniques.


MugenTsukuyomi wrote:
Jiraiya's hearing jutsu, enhanced with senjutsu, cannot be compared with a visual genjutsu

I have already mentioned that several times, but nobody wants to use it