# Is SRM IS not worth it at all

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### Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Hitchhiker »Friday April 9, 2010, 5:12 pm

Hi,
I didn't want to fill up the unit of measurement, so here's the following question:
I have been making my own firewood for 10 years, as the intervertebral disc thinks it has to stand out, I first saw and split 5 cubic meters to bridge the gap.
That is now stacked away, and so layered, there was just under 3 cubic meters (so I measured the pile of wood).
I find little.
Of course there is air in between when the wood is thrown out. But with the stacked wood it is still in between. That less `comes out is clear, but of 5 RM are 2 RM air ...

Am I spoiled from the previous purchase at the forester in the forest, where a lot of stacked wood came out of the wooden piles?

I wanted to ask here before I call the seller. He can currently hardly save himself from orders, which of course makes them resistant to criticism.

Greetings from the heath,
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Christian1979 »Friday April 9th ​​2010, 5:58 pm

The SRM cannot be determined 100% exactly anyway. Also depends partly on whether the logs are cut 25cm, 30cm or 35cm

I am also not a friend of SRM, but easier, faster and better to measure for sellers.

Unfortunately, the sources that are circulating on the net sometimes give different measurements, which calculate 1 Rm = 1.4 SRM, but I've already read 1 Rm = 1.7 SRM.

But since the SRM is the common sales measure, you have to accept it that way.

I think that there are a few commercial timber sellers here, maybe they can clarify something and throw light into the dark bulk meter ...

But we also had the discussion here
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of foxi »Friday April 9, 2010, 6:11 pm

Hello Marc,
how were the 5 SRM delivered? In a container or loose? Was there any way you could check the delivery quantity?
When it comes to putting it on, skill really counts. Each tighter and more careful you stack, the less it becomes, it is clear. I calculate 1 SRM x 0.7 is 0.7 cubic meters. Therefore, your 3 RM is very little.
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Hitchhiker »Friday April 9, 2010, 6:55 pm

So with a factor of 0.7 I would get 5SRM * 0.7 = 3.5RM. Okay, so it's borderline with the 3 RM. Delivered by dump truck, re-measuring not possible.

But all right, SRM and FM were clear to me, but I had expected SRM and stacked RM to be closer together. But of course, if I fill 5 individual boxes with wood instead of one large one, I also get a different result. So a solid cubic meter becomes 0.7 SRM and thus (* 0.7) 0.5 RM.

At least it is nice to know that the work is worth it, to buy pile wood in the forest or meter ends and process it yourself, because a lot more comes out when it is closer to the FM.

It's good that it only hurt in my wallet.

Have a nice weekend!
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Hitchhiker »Saturday June 5, 2010, 7:26 pm

Hi,

My question wasn't about solid cubic meters ("logs") to bulk cubes, because I can't stack as tightly as an FM.

I was surprised to get only 2.9 mathematical cubic meters stacked from 5 cubic meters, i.e. the measured pile of wood. I just thought SRM is closer to the "stack meter".

Anyway, buy meter ends again and look to buy a piece of forest.
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Discovery »Saturday June 5, 2010, 7:46 pm

Many live from this unit of measurement.

A lot of acquaintances who don't make their wood themselves have already gone through a lot of wood suppliers. They all speak of the meter ... stacked it often comes out that the RM 100 € cost ...

The most popular methods are the dump truck that holds (at least) 3.5 or 5 meters

or the railroad mesh box that also holds a meter.

Interestingly, many end users do not know the unit of bulk cubic meter at all and assume full conviction of the FM or RM for which they are paying ...

Recently, an acquaintance who sells firewood on the side said with a wink: "You only have to make the logs 24-25 long and split them nice and thin, there is more air in between on the trailer and they burn even faster ..."

A neighbor received oak logs (max. 25cm BHD) last week. I asked him how much that was, he proudly said 25 meters. He answered yes to my question about cubic meters and referred to the approximate length of the edge of the pile. My comment that there were many crooked dogs lying there, with plenty of air in between, didn't seem to slow him down in his euphoria.

In addition, there was so much dirt on the trunks that I advised him to keep the high-pressure cleaner on it or to buy additional chains (he has files filed)

Incidentally, the supplier was a professional dealer.
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of Christian1979 »Saturday June 5, 2010, 8:27 pm

Discovery wrote:A lot of acquaintances who don't make their wood themselves have already gone through a lot of wood suppliers. They all speak of the meter ... stacked it often comes out that the RM 100 € cost ...

Can I sign 100% like this. It's no different here with us. If I extrapolate the prices from loose cubic meters to a stacked 1Rm pile of 33 pieces, it is an average of 100 € for us, mostly still without freight

Discovery wrote:Interestingly, many end users do not know the unit of bulk cubic meter at all and assume full conviction of the FM or RM for which they are paying ...

Here, too, absolute agreement. None of my friends know the difference between Fm, Rm and Srm.
We only ever talk about meters

Schüttraummter in itself is no problem to calculate better for retailers. The customers just have to know the difference.
Or the dealer can deliver in Srm and still give a cubic meter.
It is clear that the whole thing never matches 100%, but +/- 5% is possible.

Another acquaintance wanted 2 meters of dry and split beech wood from me. Asked me about the price.
I told him he could get the cubic meter, dry, cut to 33cm and stacked to a meter for € 70.
He just laughed out loud and said he'd rather have it delivered, it's cheaper there
Just said with a grin: Ok, Tschööö
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of My_One »Sunday June 6th 2010, 4:08 pm

The bulk cubic meter itself is of course the most convenient unit for recording. However, also those with the greatest uncertainty. Theoretically, the wood should settle due to the vibrations during transport and there should be "less" wood on the transport vehicle when it arrives at the customer. Also depends, as already mentioned, on the length of the billet. If I had to buy my wood, I would be reluctant to have to rely on the Srm unit. The better method (with similarly dry wood) would be to determine the water content and sell it by weight.
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of schimano75 »Monday 23 August 2010, 11:01 am

Hitchhiker wrote:

Anyway, buy meter ends again and look to buy a piece of forest.

Well, meter ends can also be crooked and crooked, so that there is a lot of air in between when stacking ... So are the cubic meters also valid?
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### Re: Ratio of bulk cubic meters to stacked

of fc-fan1977 »Monday 23 August 2010, 2:03 pm

Hello,

So I think if you point out to the customer in good time and in detail what an SRM and an RM mean in terms of quantity, that should be enough.
Whether one SRM results in 0.65 or 0.7 stacked RM in the end doesn't really matter, unless someone orders 20 SRM at once, and even there it only makes a difference of 1 RM.

But again for the conversion, it was mentioned that 1 FM results in almost 2 SRM.
I definitely can't sign that.

An FM gives at least 2.0 to 2.3 SRM.

Habs measured and recalculated very often, sometimes it even resulted in just under 2.5 SRM.

Greetings from the Eifel

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